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General hCG Diet Information: What to Do??? Extend the P2 a Few Days or What?
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Possibly true Linda, but i don't think it's so black and white and we can't assume people are so evil. Some people have also done well not taking breaks between rounds. I think it's more useful to be open and curious so we have more information to ponder and work with. I respect wanting to stick with the original protocol bc it works, but i'm also curious about people willing to experiment and learning about what else works.
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- hCGDietAuthorlabtracy2rn
- TimeNov 20th 2009
Linda lou and Beestly....I do appreciate the thoughts and concerns. I am going to continue on and see how it goes...if I begin to feel increasing hunger pains, I may just put the brakes on. I so far have done pretty good with no real major feelings of hunger. At the start of the diet the clinic I started with had and slightly more liberal calorie restriction and a few extra things on the diet plan. So, I have eaten as much as 650-700 calories at the start but have pulled back the reighns and am trying to follow the protocol more carefully at this point. We shall see how it pans out! My biggest challenge is Thanksgiving....Hopefully all will be good! -
Yes, too bad we all can't eat together, lol.
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- hCGDietAuthormgsondance
- TimeNov 20th 2009
beestly- i only know of one person (barb) who was on injections and went more than 50 days without having immunity issues- are you thinking of people on hhcg or releana? michelle went 50 days, and then hit immunity in her 2nd round and had to stop. even without officially hitting immunity, i've also seen people who then have hunger issues their second round.
i also think there is only so much loss that your body can handle over a short period of time. personally, i think i lost mine too fast- and probably lost more muscle as a result. plus Dr. S. stopped rounds after people had lost 34#, even if they were not yet to day 40. docs frequently tell people it's better to allow your body to stabilize (with regular dieting, not hcg) at one weight before losing more- that your chances are better for keeping the weight off.
tracy- the problem i see with your idea is you don't know how much hcg you were on to begin with, do you? you were probably getting a higher dose, getting shots every other day. if that's the case, you'd have the same chance of hitting immunity. my instinct is that you'd do better on R2 if you stopped at 40. Dr. S. had some people who hit immunity before 40 days, so i assume that's the cut-off point where he thought most people would be safe.
another thing- i would not recommend using the same mix for 25 days anyway. most people feel a noticeable decrease in potency after about 14. So i wouldn't feel like you're wasting the hcg- the main thing is that you stabilize well in P3 and keep the weight off. -
I don't have verifiable evidence, just what i've heard from the doctor at the clinic of people who have had 100 pounds to lose and are still doing well. And not just the owner, but clients as well. She's just an employee and a good doctor with her own non-hcg clinic she's getting up and running, so i don't think she is out to scam me personally (perhaps the owners are, who knows?).
Their theory is the low calories cause immunity, not the hcg. The body can only take so many days on 500 calories before it gives up. So they boost calories and extend the period. Theoretically it makes a lot of sense to me, but i personally cannot lose weight if i do their protocol. Actually i probably could, but it's too slow.
I can sort of see going 50 days if you're close to a goal, but as easy as P2 is, it's also very hard. I have five days left and am fairly burned out and ready to eat some fat!!! I think one long extended P2 would be psychological torture. -
- hCGDietAuthormgsondance
- TimeNov 20th 2009
interesting idea- i wish Dr. S. had written more about that. i do notice that it seems like i stop losing earlier and earlier in my rounds- but yet my hunger level does not change and i have not lost skeletal fat in my face (Dr. S. says both will happen with immunity). plus it seems like i lose more body fat later in the round. what's the longest they've done shots for?
the other thing i'd point out to people is that i think the loss per day average is slightly higher when doing the short rounds, since you lose so much more in the beginning of your round. if you did a 60-day round as opposed to 40, i'd guess it would be even lower. do they do 40 days as per protocol, and then increase calories? or do they increase calories for the whole time and just have people lose more slowly?
i may play around with eating more calories in R6. that was going to be my last round, but because i didn't do well in R4 i'll have to do a 7th round. i want to be fairly strict on my last round so i have the best chance at stabilizing at my goal weight.
i also get more and more tired of the food as i go on. the weird thing is that R2 was my longest round, and i seemed to tolerate the foods better in that round than others. but now that i'm approaching a total of around 150 vlcd's, i'm thoroughly sick of my food choices! -
- hCGDietAuthorlabtracy2rn
- TimeNov 21st 2009
Hmmm......much to ponder. My plan was to take a total of 40 injections. I counted up the shots I took on the 3 days per week and then my continuation to a daily injection plan. Its just that that takes me to 53 days. I haven't had dramatic wt loss up to this point. Only at 17.8 lbs up to now. I had stalling etc I think due to the more liberal diet plan the clinic gave me that allowed a bit more calories.I started the daily injections on Monday of this week and I felt like my body was responding to it differently...ie: more consistant loss. And I am seeing the loss/changes in my trouble spots and thats exciting.
The clinic had a plan that where you take the injections Mon, Wed, and Friday. The diet plan allowed up to 750 calories per day. So, there were a few extra food choices...not to far from the plan but it did allow cantalope, and a breakfast choice of either a egg with a piece of the 40 cal bread or like a 3/4 cup cheerios with 1/2 cup skip milk. there were a few extra veggie choices like brussel sprouts. They told me that with the few extra calories they didn't see a big difference in the loss's. So, I don't know if they wanted to drag the plan out a bit longer to make the extra $$ or what. But, its certainly more cost effective for me to order on my own!
Tracy -
The red flags for me on that diet plan isn't the few extra calories, it's the starch. The original protocol is very clear that starch is to be avoided, and the bread and cheerios both have starch in them.
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Yeah, my clinic doesn't allow starch, but it does call for extra calories.
Mgs, they do say that on 500 cal ppl start to lose muscle and get that gaunt look. They say Dr. S said so himself. I have to say, i was watching some youtube videos of some hcg'ers, and one gal in particular -- her face did not look good to me in the latest video. I don't like that gaunt, sunken-cheek and eyes look. I have gotten the same thing on fasts.
I think the longest they've done shots is 10 months, for a gal who had 100 pounds to lose. She had to move out of state, so they weren't able to complete the program with her. The calories are a little higher the whole time, and instead of adjusting hcg to deal with hunger, they adjust calories. That personally did not work for me. They wanted me to stay at 150 iu subq. I'm at 250 iu now and MUCH more comfortable. At this dose, i don't NEED the extra calories. But i would never go longer than 40 days either.
I agree with shorter rounds and higher daily averages. Although i'm also losing more all of a sudden in my last week of 40 days on P2 (R1). You are a ROCK STAR for making it so far!
All in all, for me personally P2 has been very hard on my body. My overall physical energy is lower. It's like my life force is weaker. I don't cook and clean as well bc i'm too tired. I don't put as much work into my activities revolving around my spiritual community. It's all i can do to walk the dogs, and it hurts my legs to walk and makes me feel very weak. Mental energy has been good, thank goodness, considering i'm a writer. These ill effects are the sort of thing the clinic wants to avoid in their clients. -
labtracy2rn - with the having more calories and loosing less on the clinic's protocol you probably will be okay going to 53 days unless your body begins to show signs of immunity or weakness. Again I think one of the reason that Dr. S kept it to 40 was to protect the body and ensure health as much as anything. If you go to long I blelieve your body will start to believe that this is the way it's going to be and start hoarding. Stabilizing is so important.
There are good clinics out there and there are bad cnd very bad clinic out there. They have a right to make money of course and they should but what some of these clinics do is unconscionable. My mom started out with her homeopathic Dr. and yes it cost her more than doing it on her own but he cared for her health, he didn't treat her how I've read some clinics have treated people or charge outrageous prices.
Just listen to your body and be sure to wait at least 6 weeks before your next round and it'll all be good.