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  1.  # 11permalink
    interesting.... when you say "maintainence phase", is that her term for P3?

    i wonder where she came up with all of that, because it sure wasn't from the protocol! sometimes i think we overthink the whole P3 a bit too much.
    • hCGDietAuthorlis
    • TimeNov 13th 2009
     # 12permalink
    The nutritional information that was used to get her values regarding these veggies and fruits is from The Biggest Loser Complete Calorie Counter.2006 and also the ESHA Research Food Processor program, and the USDA National Nutritional Database for Standard Reference-Release 18.
    • hCGDietAuthorlis
    • TimeNov 13th 2009
     # 13permalink
    It appears she referes to P3 and P4 as Maintenance....Dr. S does not refer to them in this way either...If I heard correctly...that is KT.

    She says...There are differences in opinion on exactly what Dr. S meant for the first 3 weeks of Maintenece when he said the following: During this period patients must realize that the so-called carbohydrates, that is sugar, rice, bread, potatoes, pastries, etc. are by fare the most dangerous. If no carbohydrates, whatsoever are eaten, fats can be indulged in somewhat more liberally, and even small quantities fo alcohol, such as a glass of wine with meals, does no harm...'" Some patients cannot believe theat they can eat fairly normally without regaining weight. They disregard the advice to eat anyting they please except sugar and starge and want to play safe."......."For the following 3 weeks, all foods allowed except starch and sugar in any form (careful with very sweet fruit)"

    Since small amounts of alcohol such as a glass of wine with meals is described to do no harm, we contend that with regard to sugar and starch, that sugars and starches items that had a significant amount of carbohydrates and/or sugar, not items that have 4 grams or less, for example of sugar in a hamburger does not constitute 'a sugar'. Nor do sweet fruits constitute a sugar, but they must be eaten with caution tempered by the daily weighing.

    The same argument exists for starches. Dr. S mentions items that are clearly considered "starches". He gives no examples of vegetables that are starchy, such as beans or other vegetable that have protein and fiber. Therefore, we contend that some starchy vegetables ( the ones with redeeming benefits of protein and fiber) are allowed in small quantities, with caution and these are all clearly marked.

    There is a method to our madness, so if you disagree, you will know why an item was classified one way or another (more than 4 grams of sugar per serving counts as "sugar': more than 13 grams of carbohydrate counts as "a starch"), and you can decide for yourself how conservative you would like to proceed. If you want to stay extremely conservative, simply do not use any of the foods that are marked wtih the caution sign until the food is no longer a caution food and your new weight is stabilized.
    Thankful People: mgsondance, Tamara, amyleigh
  2.  # 14permalink
    Very interesting, lis! Thanks for posting it.
    Colleen
    • hCGDietAuthorteresaf
    • TimeNov 19th 2009
     # 15permalink
    Normally tomatoe puree has added sugar. I have found one at our loal Food Lion grocery that has no sugar. It is also organic. If you can't find it in grocery, try natural food place. I made spaghetti sauce for miracle noodles with just the tomatoe puree, a little olive oil and Chef Paul Pasta seasoning. OMG, better than the canned stuff any day. Good luck with Phase 3.