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General hCG Diet Information: Late October Starters
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- hCGDietAuthormgsondance
- TimeOct 28th 2009
what i'm saying is that we still don't know the right subq dose. we do know that if our dose is too high, that can cause hunger as well as the dose being too low.
i'd like to find more research on the difference in absorption between IM and SQ. but if IM absorbs at 95%, and SQ at about 80%, then it's possible that 200 is too high a dose. although again, that doesn't address the last part of my post, that many docs theorize we need more hcg than patients back in the 50's.
what i do think is relevant is that it appears there are more issues with both hunger and stabilization now (with people on the forum) than Dr. S. reported. So i have a feeling something is still not quite right.
in regards to the statement about volume, "bit high for the subcutaneous tissues to cope with"- that doesn't necessarily mean that the absorption doesn't happen in time, because i think it does. but i did notice having a big lump of fluid under the skin with 1cc, which seemed to take a while to go away. that could indicate it stresses those tissues a bit more. i've done rounds at every volume from .2 to 1cc, and haven't noticed any benefit from using a full cc. -
The absorption rate for IM and SQ should be the same. The difference in IM and SQ is the rate at which the meds enter your blood stream.
Editing to add: Another reason that you may choose IM over SQ is if the meds are damaging to tissue. In this case B12 is not damaging to tissue which is why it is ok to give SQ or IM. -
- hCGDietAuthormgsondance
- TimeOct 28th 2009
i've heard that as well, from both docs and other sources. but then you have to ask why anyone is recommending more than 125 units of hcg?? how quickly it's absorbed should not be an issue, since it's not at an effective level anyway until it has been in our bodies for 3 days.
it also begs the questions- why would Dr. S. do IM shots? Certainly subq would have been easier, and less painful for his patients.
also- then why would anything be given IM? there are injections such as estrogen that are only given IM.
not being cantankerous here- really asking! -
Some medicines are damaging to tissue and sometimes the dr wants the meds circulating in our bloodstream quicker. Take insulin for instance. Insulin is given SQ. If the absorption rate was not acceptable we would have a lot of insulin dependant diabetics with very elevated blood sugars.
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- hCGDietAuthorgrammy1952
- TimeOct 28th 2009
I never had a lump with the 1ml myself. If I do IM I'll do smaller though.
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- hCGDietAuthormgsondance
- TimeOct 28th 2009
that makes sense for an emergency situation, in terms of getting it into our bloodstream quicker. but with estrogen, for example- i got those injections every 3 weeks, so there was no need for it to get into the bloodstream fast. my doc said that if done subq it tends to get trapped in the fat. which again begs the question if hcg has the same problem, since it is a hormone. that was one of my concerns doing sq from the beginning.
is it possible that much of the hcg does get trapped in the fat, and that is why a higher dose is necessary? i'm also wondering why many sites list different levels of absorption for IM vs SQ.
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To be honest I'm not 100% sure but I can ask my nursing instructor tomorrow and get back with you for sure.
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- hCGDietAuthorTracy Rohde
- TimeOct 28th 2009
I,m on R1P2 D8 VLCD and I'm also planning on going right up to Thanksgiving, but Stopping hcg on day 35 so I can eat P3 for the holidays. I'm just wondering is everyone skipping a day that does more than 23? because I'm going to get my Tom in about a week and will be skipping then, does that count at all for preventing intolerance to the hcg? This forum has been an absolute Godsend to me!!!! Thank You all for being out there and so honest!!!!! Also I have seen places where the hcg does goes up to 250 iu whats up with that? Do some people need more? -
Hi all! I am so glad I found this discussion! Yeah! I need people who are doing this with me!
Today was my first day on vlcd. Monday & Tuesday were my load days.
I am 28ysr, 5ft 6
started 180.6 after load 183.2
I was soooo tired and hungry this afternoon! Augh.
I am hoping to lose at least 20# on 23 days of subq injections.
Then another round after Christmas.
My ideal goal is 135#, so that's 45#'s to lose! -
I start loading tomorrow! I have the bacon cooked! Fridge also has brats, olives, and avocodos! Maybe one last trip to Chipoltle's on Friday. Gosh, I feel like it is my last meal!
Tracy, I plan on stopping my injections three-four days before Thanksgiving also. This will give me a little wiggle room for a few days. I just don't want to explain myself to relatives! If all goes well, I plan to continue on until day 40.
I think I can go without pop now. I'm worried about no breakfast. We have been told for years that it is the most important meal...so I may eat my apple then, or maybe a blended lemonaid?
Good luck everyone!